Revolutionizing Adult Education in Africa
Adewale Yusuf is the CEO and Co-founder of AltSchool Africa, a company causing a seismic shift in the way learning is perceived and consumed in Africa with the goal of enabling ten million Africans with profitable skills by 2030. AltSchool is a fully-virtual platform where Africans, regardless of who they are, can access global standard learning resources.
In addition to his role at AltSchool he currently serves on the board of Life Beyond Disability, a non-profit advocating for the rights and empowerment of persons living with disability in Africa and is a co-organizer of Africans in tech global.
Sho Links:
https://altschoolafrica.com/
Imperfect Show Notes
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My conversation with Adewale:
Morgan Bailey 0:02
Hello, and welcome to the profit meets impact Podcast where we explore the intersection of doing well and doing good in the world. I'm your host Morgan Bailey, and I'm excited to bring you the wisdom of entrepreneurs and thought leaders that are using business to create sustainable and meaningful change across the globe.
I've been looking forward to this conversation with Adewale Yusuf of he is a CEO and co founder of AltSchool Africa, a company causing a seismic shift in the way learning is perceived and consumed in Africa, with the ultimate goal of enabling 10 million Africans with profitable skills by 2030. AltSchool is a fully virtual platform where Africans regardless of who they are, can access global standard learning resources. In addition to his role at old school, he currently serves on the board of life beyond disability, a nonprofit advocating for the rights and empowerment of persons living with disability in Africa. He is also the CO organizer of Africans and tech global, which brings Africans and tech together in the US, UK and Canada. Out of all, the men are really stoked to have this conversation with you. Thanks for having me. Yeah, I look, I look forward to the conversation. All right. All right. So the first question I have for you, is, what experiences led you to building an impact focused business?
Adewale Yusuf 1:25
Alright, thanks for that question. It's really an important thing. What I'm building at AltSchool is personal to me. And even from the name itself, alternatives. So which means like, I came from a to, I mean, less privileged background, or I mean, middle class as the you working class as the US call this. And one thing I understand is we my parents after my high school, my parents couldn't send me to college, and I love school. I love education. Since I was very young, I was lonely. I came from a family of like, hey, my parents, maybe it was they were trying to be for colleague, and they had to give it to like 10 children. So you just have a lot. And I was one of the few people.
If not one of the few ones, they eventually got out of that school then went to art school, and I love education. But after the school after the high school, my parents couldn't send. So I left or at the age of 16, I was on my own looking for opportunity. I went to the major city in Nigeria called Lagos, which is one of the largest we've obits, over 20 million people live in the city. It's just like New York into us. So I went there, I started my life as a security guard, which is security guard work during that and bought my major. The major goal for me, I just wanted to learn this, I just wanted to go to school, I saved up eventually to go to school, to do a distance learning education. However, I came in contact with someone that told me like, hey, the opportunities, the future is going to be led by technology. And I was talking about 15 years ago. So technology is going to be amazing. People will have a job that is different in the future. Not everyone that goes to school, will be able to get the job some people will be able to learn so I was able to leverage on that. However, I promised myself one thing. I eventually went to the school where I didn't finish I dropped out. But I promised myself like I'm going to change the education because also, some of the things I saw in school were different. I realized, like curriculum were obsolete. You were love of the materials we were using in Africa in some of the schools. They were not relevant to the global world. So I dropped out eventually, after starting my first company. I started my first company my day, which was the media company in Africa, one of the top media company in Africa that focus on technology, which like tech runs for Africa. I eventually dropped out then I promised myself like I'm going to solve this problem when like crazy place where I have resources. I have network and I on the funder problem better. So that was why I did six years later, after running my media company, I decided to say oh, I want to give this because one thing I understand when I was doing the security guard, all that was on my mind was to go to school. I use more than 50% of my salary, which as a den I think I was sending like, like $50 Maybe like $50 A month $25 out of box goes into buying books
That was where I read lots of amazing books. And I was just reading, I was just learning about the world. And luckily, I was introduced to the internet later, then I realized that the internet is the power is the is the is the leveler for Africa's Is it true that we need to connect, connect to the world. So since then, I've connected to the internet, I'm one of those people started, even the internet penetration was possible at this time. So I spent, I will spend all nights trying to dilute something. And I would, I want to see, because all night, I go to some places where I want to download and to be able to use internal classes. But that changed everything for me. Because from that knowledge, some years down the line, like five years or structural, I was able to build my first tech campaigns, which was the media company, then I realized, like, oh, there are more opportunity. And as I said, like, after six years of running that company, I just woke up my life. I know what to do for the problem I'm interested in solving, which is can I give everyone opportunity? Everyone love Africa? Can I give them opportunity and access to education? Because I didn't have that an all my dream was to have that. Imagine there was a platform like when I was struggling, I know that will change a lot of things for me, but over 300 million people in Africa right now, like me, looking for opportunity for the opportunity that are affordable education opportunity. assessable. And that Wasco is just doing for me, I'm just like, I need to build this dream. And this gene is no longer for me, as well is for everybody. I didn't know how right? I will be when I was say doing it. Because it's not like a crazy stuff when we wanted to launch. And we were like, Okay, let's just launch this thing I've been we've been saying it for a long time. Let's go live. If it makes sense to people or not, the first month will launch. Over 5000 People came registered and paid off.
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30,000 people came 5000 of them registered. And it paid us a token of $20 for the application fee. The same in second month, we were like, Okay, I think we were right. So we made like $200,000. But it wasn't about that it was just about people ready for this. And, and it showed like, this is the opportunity people have been waiting, waiting for not just even people that they've not gone to the university or the college. Even people that went to college, because we are calling this certification is useless today. After we've gathered the data, we realize that over 6% of people that are registered on our platform, they have bachelor's degree. So which means what everyone is learning in the market is not relevant. So for me, that's one of my joy, I've been able to see this amazing thing. And I was just, it's just I'm just speaking to the younger version of me to say, oh, maybe your past USB this year, because of that we are going to stop problems. We're really appreciating just the journey. And honestly, I mean, hearing how personal this is for you. And if you've been along that, you know, and one of the things that you know, for not everyone who's kind of aware of you know what the education system looks like in West Africa. I'm wondering if we could paint that picture just a little bit, right, because unlike other parts of the world, there are a lot of barriers to education. It's not just not just barriers to college, it's barriers to primary school, and to secondary school or high school. So talk talk to us a little bit about you know, the difficulties that just getting access to what we would consider basic education if you're saying I will want the world to know is Africans, Nigerians, we love Chickies. And even when it comes to the US, a we are the most Nigerians are the most educated immigrants, even in the US. So we trust love education. Going to school is one major thing that the family is proud of, okay. Our children went to school, they're going to school. However, we don't have enough infrastructure. Let me start with the education. For example, when you go to even the primary from the primary to the college level, is single classroom, you will see a lot of people inside of it is overcrowded. They don't get quality education. Also they don't get quality teachers to get that because it's under funded by the government. And then when you look at the data is on the phone day, and also corruption is huge in the
market like Africa, those so sorry, the market like Nigeria, I was speaking lots of Nigerian is this because even though we look at Africa, I was speaking to Nigeria and Nigeria for context is the child. So Nigeria, a known out of the 52 countries of 54 countries in Africa, we are 10% of the population, we have 200 million people
in Africa. So, no, we want to present were like 15%. So, what I will look at our education system is for us, when you look at the polls, and when you look at the Board of Education, for example, there are a lot of corruption going, and that Zuma that threw more students in the system, so the curriculum are not well updated every second, you didn't see the curriculum updated. And when you see us the colleges, the primary education is one thing the government always wanted to solve, like, how can we solve the primary spiritual even, it's a mess for me when I went to school, when I was in second large app, it's so it's such a mess that almost everybody said, the achievement. So privacy school, when it comes to primary education, if you want your children to have a good primary education, you have to send them to to primary school by the secondary level. The lot of bit of government education coming to boy still overcrowded is so not well managed, because every time the font is the court, and also beyond the font, the budget, being caught every time also
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I mean, it love of things you must read of Nigeria, which is production is big deal. Well, let's let's move to post secondary education, which is calling 600,000 people charge it from Nigeria every year.
And when they graduate into the market, when they after the graduation, they don't have a job, they don't have larger percentage of them don't have a job. It's not like they
don't have a job alone, they are not qualified for the available jobs. Because they were not trained a lot of the curriculum in schools at the moment are no relevance to the market. People are learning what will never give them opportunity. And at the moment, we live in a world where everything is transforming. I was in a shelter program in the US and the pastor
where he everyone is doing what they studied in school, like 80% of the audience and went off in Nigeria, you will never say 10% of that wind up going up. Because people don't, then they don't do what they learnt in school. And that's the major challenge we what if we want to compete globally, we will be able to train people. And that's where we, for me personally, that's where I see the educational system or the barrier to entry is. That's why I couldn't go for accreditation in Nigeria for the first time because of a one on get it. Because it requires a lot of a lot someone like me, are they required to run a school, they don't expect someone like me to run in school. And I just know like, Okay, so for places and the rest of the world that have a lot of people that have crazy idea, I can go to them. And that places us or the UK. And so I was able to get an exemption from the state of California there. I just got full accreditation from Esri in the UK. So to say, hey, we understand, and but I'm not worried about the past of Africa. I'm excited for the future. Because because of what we are building, many people live for me, and many will have the ducks. And there will be many of people like me coming to the market to solve this problem. I'm just happy that I'm one of the first one.
Morgan Bailey 14:05
So it makes sense. I mean, obviously you saw some very clear market opportunity. And it's growing. I mean that the population in Africa particular population in Nigeria is growing in Nigeria in particular is one of the largest economic forces in Africa. Right. So there's a huge market demand for oil. I'm curious about though, so I'm curious to to bring us a little bit into well then what was it like to build a business right. So, I want to spend a few minutes here like you had an idea right? What was it like in Nigeria particularly like to take this idea and then to build a platform to raise money actually see this come to where it is today.
Adewale Yusuf 14:45
All right. So just start something, I will start on the of the previous conversation also. When we are looking at the market size is in the US and average age is 38 which is telling it in Nigeria and now averaging in. And by changing in the next 20 years, one in every five people, four people in the world, we are in Africa. So we have the younger population, which is future of work. And that's my focus. So when it comes to Nigeria, when starting my first business in Nigeria, so because that plays a major role in also what I'm doing, which was the media business, I started the loan. And I started the loan, I bootstrapped the company a lot. And it was difficult. It's always difficult because you live in a place where not many people have enough money. And people don't. The disposable income is not that is not there. So lot, two people focus on thinking anything that is Vitami people don't really focus on so anything that is just passively that good. People really don't care. People just want what the problem wanted to be. And so when I look at the markets, before I started, as I look at the population, some things, if you have 1.4 billion people on the continent, that's huge. And if all these 1.4 people out 60% of them are under the age of 10, right? That's another huge number, which is over 600,000 people to 700,000 people, my goal was, can I get this 1% to pay me $2. In the financial sense, that billions of dollars money, but also in Nigeria, the advantage is, I was there, because when I started off, all my life, I've lived in Nigeria, I travel around, but I just love to live in Nigeria wanted to meet. So I see I see the pain of my next door neighbor. And that those are the people I wanted to solve problem for. So when I started the, I was able to say talk to other people, when we raise the first money, for example. Because I left my previous company that my previous job, I couldn't risk $50,000. I remember, I was looking to raise $50,000 For not work, I couldn't raise it, I had to stop because no one wanted to give me money. But after I started this, I remember when I had the idea, because my focus was connect connects talent and the market to the global opportunity. And I caught some friends at first. And I really like $20,000 Without any paper, anything, just a phone call like it. And are you interested in this idea, because people that trust that we just take, I will give him on the second one we raised $300,000 from people in the market, and also the local investor, because of my previous company. So I have some credibility in the market. But also as we go along, as your company developed, you try to raise millions of dollars. And it's very tough. It's tough for someone like me, is so for a soft for people that are coming from the my backgrounds, even not just sometimes, if you've gone to a place like about you, some of Stanford some of the best in the world. Maybe it's a bit easier, I get a bit easier. But when people look at it, they don't know your track record, like Oh, can you solve this problem. So it gets tougher. But it's something you have to push. Because when you look at the problem, because you have paid users, and this is the first thing I do, I went to look for paying users, I they have the privilege of building a startup where I will tell him they're not making money. So I have to make money from day one. Because I have to show people like this works because I go have other things to show. So it's really tough also be in Nigeria, even at this stage, fundraising a stock you have on and also in the grants, because normally they will be in the lot of impact money in the market trends. But one of the things I look at is, if we start with grant, we won't be able to understand the problem we're solving, we won't be able to solve this problem. So I didn't start with grant. So they haven't gotten any grants, we're still going to look for grants in the market, but we're generating millions of dollars from the people that needed this problem in the market that needed this solution. So I just look at people around me and I have some talent as well. I have people that I work with in the past they just say let's solve this problem. I believe this is the future and we started doing and it was difficult because you work in your in Nigeria where there's internet challenges the internet is poor. If getting better, is getting better, but also the challenges of population where you stay from the US in the US. And you look at Africa, you will be looking at data as to people who live on that $1. But also, you need to know like in the market where there is evil, they have to be demand. And education is one thing will demand that we love the most and even deploy the economy. People will still do to education, to rescue that because people want to be educated. So these are some of the things that makes it easier for me to focus on the journey we're doing. But it was really difficult. Raising money is in Nigeria, also in Nigeria, talking to people even coming to the US and stuff as much as possible. Not many people will be interested in what you're doing, because a lot of people focus too much on the data that they have seen on the internet. But as much as possible, that is good and bad for AWS, because it's good in the sense that while people are missing out on it, we will create a lot of billions of dollars opportunity from that. And it's just bad in the sense that we might not be able to see the resources, we'll use as fast as possible. But I'm very excited. I mean, being an entrepreneur, you have to be optimistic. And that's what I do every day, no matter how tough it is, I wake up every day. And the exciting thing for me is the people that we are solving problems for. This is why our school is different to enable him to focus on payments, impact on payment, yeah, people pick him up for us. Once we solve one person's problem, that person, the next three generation, we've helped that generation. And that's what we are seeing already. Because our students are getting opportunity, they're able to contribute to the market global, they're no longer getting opportunity, just locally, they're getting opportunities in the US and UK everywhere. And they are the workforce of the future with every data point. So that's why, for me, no matter how tall this journal, I just make sure we have to do we have I always thought to my customer to rescue of appeals.
Morgan Bailey 22:15
Tell me. So tell me a little bit about the platform itself. Right. So I think you've had, you know, over 60,000 users thus far. Yeah. And one thing that, you know, I'm curious about is like, so what, what does it look like? What is the platform look like? What is the what are the courses look like? How does it you know, talk us through a little bit about how a user might engage with it.
Adewale Yusuf 22:40
Okay, so the way we are platform worksheets, when you come to our platform, we have, we focus a lot on diploma, because here's the thing, we are not a bootcamp. I know when we started, people were missing those, like woe is us the bootcamp video, where you're actually saying we we are not a bootcamp because people haven't seen one fully functioning that school in Africa. So when you come to platform you register, you either register for a diploma or you register for a course, or you register for those people program. The moment you register for the diploma, you wait, you take an assessment, you take an assessment, and one of our assessments is we're trying to say, can you read and write? Can you think for yourself, you understand that as absorb the information and process it. And also we will see what parts of your strength should you go to engineering for the data, or some other places you want to do. So after that you get into a program is 12 months or diploma programs to avoid. So for the next 12 months, we'll process you will make sure you work on different projects, who train you, but also you work simer asynchronous with some other people, I mean, no Synchronoss with some other people. So if classes base like a CT basis, so this is not going to be like on demand, our free course this is only one but most of them is just code bases. So you have community is similar to go into traditional school. It's just our experiences just online with Steve, because we realize that cars have been around for centuries and their love of things they go out in style. I was able to be learned from some of the best schools also in the US. I've been going to ask them for MIT and so to understand some of the things and when you look at the schools, what people enjoy the most that they got out of school is the alumni network, because they form some relationships in school that fit into our school. And that's why we built into so community that we've built around it became a solid thing. So you are part of the community. We also have something called circle, which is 10 people responsible for each other. So each one President's team Everybody, it feels so you are accountable to because sometimes you forget, you have to work on the project together, you have to submit the project together so you understand how to work with the team. Right from that all as well. So we beautiful global community, we also focus on communication, how do you communicate in the workplace, what do you need to do, then we prepare you for jobs, we do. So those experience is what we'll put in one year, because we understand like bootcamps, a lot of boot camps are not preparing people, and Africa can't copy the bootcamp model of the US are something because they have some level of education, there's some level of system that people available, but for us, most of those things are not there. So we had to build it, we had to build the education for us to issue your diploma. And now that we also have some accreditation, with our diploma, you can actually make sense outside the watch, even if you want to use this transcript or whatever you want to use to go further with your education. So that system just works. It's just one year of we preparing you with project, or you work with life too. So it's not theory is practical. We get you to do practical stuff while you were doing it a company employee is what you will do. What are you in school? So why do we need to focus on love of thing, that theory in this world when a lot of things we are focusing on AI will actually do better? I mean, anything you want to learn out that give it to us? Give us what do you need to work on cramming those things in your brain?
Morgan Bailey 26:40
So it's interesting. So so it sounds like you have an on demand piece, which is kind of the free the free content. And then and then you have you know, these courses and that year long. And you mentioned that it's really important to the credential piece piece of it. I'm definitely hearing that come through.
Adewale Yusuf 26:58
Yeah, so the
Morgan Bailey 27:01
Yeah, so one thing? Yeah, one thing I want to slow us down that I'm just kind of curious to hear about is, can you just tell us really quickly that what is the price point that that people pay for such education?
Adewale Yusuf 27:15
Okay, the fact that there's a mass, which is sufficient for their own throughout the one year program, if the application fee, then they pay $30 a month. And also, we now have courses, because the way we work with you is we want to work with you, for the lifetime of your career, for example. So if you're a product manager, for example, we know like to grow faster in your company, you need more resources. So we're building a system to help you grow from where you are, you don't need to leave your job to learn just one month on Oh, the advanced program manager, or did you use AI as a program manager, all those things, every stages of your life, do not build a system that follows you, that will get you from where you are to become a vice president. But let me go back and do them is just my step back my foot back and pitch to the accreditation piece is where we started and our name sort of from the first day, I went to arrive, I got a particular article africa.com, they all school.com was taking. And I realized, well, this company in the US raised over half a billion I showed that thought some of the things to some other companies in trying to basically talk with them, we thought that we don't have want to buy the domain, or some other thing that is a part of what it what the name stands for, to die smacker is this is not ot Gu is a mission is not just about website. It's just an alternative school. So because parents in Africa, a lot of people don't have money, they don't have resources, and they want their children to have the best. And they know education is one thing that needs to keep that. So I'll just think, what can I give, train the children and also give the parents something. And that's why we have to get the accreditation to say this is an alternative school. So you can tell your parents like, Hey, I'm going to school is just not the traditional school, you know, is an alternative school. And that was like when I got to us, some people are pushing back again. Why don't you change them say no. Is the mission is in there because now the parents can say oh, my God is going to school. And my child who haven't said certification is just like, it's not the traditional law school, you know, because now our goal was oh, in the next five years, children will come from high school and go to art school. That was my plan before like, people will see this is the opposite but the first year we have these two Then there was the girl that the visual was online, 70 year old lady, she left the school, he left her high school and came into ortho first program ever, unless she put her software engineer. And we were excited, because the good thing is, we're not going to deliver. Because some people like that we're going to be having different program and those type of people, and eventually going to be the top AI engineer, the top this engineer because fresh, bring fresh, everything's first. And then we're able to expose to the world from the beginning. And those are some of the things we are building and for us. So we just make going back to the fee, you pay $2 a month for our courses depends because we are from advanced courses, but at courses goes from $20 to like $1,000. There's some content creation costs, they still have $100. And he's just when he was 60. So
Morgan Bailey 30:59
I'm curious in our last few minutes, thanks for sharing all that. I'm curious for you, you know, and maybe if you could share with us just, you know, just really briefly one leadership lesson that you've had to learn and building your business, an area that you've personally had to grow? What do you think would be that one most important area for you?
Adewale Yusuf 31:20
Well, me, trusting people, is the most important thing. And I came my first company, and a very strong operation person. That's one thing that mobile is a strength, I can manage things that can pull operations for I realized that you can't grow without trust and people without letting people take initiative I love I always tell people you can feel but don't feel the same thing twice. So make sure you learn the same thing. So that's one area of leadership that you trust people. And you just know like, Okay, I have to fall by and even though you know the answer, you have to get let these people get their own answer. So they can know us trust them. And that content that work for me from my previous company, because now I have over five people that have worked with me, my previous company that I've gone to work with some of that company that raised over $40 million $2 million. And they work with them as an AD team as well and came back to me when I needed that. And now I my leadership team in different places. So that trust goes a long way. And it's a leadership thing that accident like, okay, you don't need to be all the answers. The reason I'm able to do a lot of things in the company at the moment, run without me because my own teachers division, that leadership and to make sure my team doesn't run out of cash, and every time to be looking at what is the future. So I can do my contagion going into the future. Because I have people that change day to day operations, running a lot of things. So that leadership goes a long way for me to trust people. And yeah, and I think the last thing also that that worked for me, as well, this was the first startup for Disney, oh, any videos, Oh, these are the lab projects. There was a I have a lab, which is a virtual lab. So so by Slack channel, or myself, I always create the lab. And what it means is, I remember reading a book, one of my favorite book, which is by Simon Sinek. And we start with why the book is called stocks. And he mentioned when they went with the company's a manufacturer, they had ads with your best products, whether we want to see your best car, and you said no, my best car is not the road isn't the lab, where we're improving. So since then, that's one major thing like kids, I always had the lab, this lab, where every day, every time I spent like 10 minutes there. And the lab project, eventually, it moved from the beginner stage to it goes into the market, or it goes to this I took my hands off and also came out of the lab. Because when we started calling to we were just connecting people to the global opportunity, then this lab put that I was playing around like what is the market, then we started the no screw just go bigger, follow the main company, go this thing. And also we've had a lot to do. So it's one of the things I'm trying to also encourage local founders and say like, say your lap progesterone is big crowd is bigger than the main product. Sometimes you just need to and the moment we push any of our lab into production or into into B class say that people are they don't need my idea any longer. I just moved back to put another thing in the lab every time. There's only something that I'm also doing now, which is a lab project that we know like is going to be bigger even than what we're doing Yeah, that makes a
Morgan Bailey 35:01
lot of bottles. Yeah. And it falls. I mean, a lot of major tech companies as well, you know, they have these labs that and the IVs will give people time on their calendars to be focused on on projects are different than their main body of work. So I love how you're seeing you how you're, you're building that out in your own company, and which ultimately led to the creation of your company. So as we wrap up, I just want to spend just, you know, we just have a couple minutes left, but I'm curious to hear from you, if you have any asks or offers from the audience, any any advice you want to give, or any any call to action, but any advice or offers from the audience in the last couple of minutes. So
Adewale Yusuf 35:37
for me, no matter where people are listening to, if people listen to this from other parts of the world, and all Africans, even if it's an African listening to this from anywhere, is people should know, right? African off, because you can write a nation of 1.4 billion people, but there's the simple economics, this there is demand and supply. Every time there are always going to be demand. And that's a market that's very young. And with the way the world is also going, the power will be to the younger people, because they will be able to think differently, and be able to see the world differently. So that's one of the things I respect the most to support people also is not just everytime leftovers like, oh, let's just give people we don't know what is going into it. And so that's one of the things I want to do. I want to encourage people to do as well, for me for for advice. But the honest truth is, for me, I just think the world is changing the honest truth, there are some jobs that have gone forever, they're not coming. And this is I see a future where whatever you study in school, might not last you for the next maybe three, four years that you have to transition again. And that's where all students come in. Because you might not take more than one year that you have to transition the days of the diesel. Oh, this is what I studied in school, this is my entire career, we might be looking at that in the mirror at the moment might be going where everything is everything. Because what you know, keeps changing every day, especially with the stock. And my thing is just everyone to have an open mind. I mean, it's not to scare anyone off, it's just like, it's an opportunity to create an opportunity. And also, for me, one of the things I tell people is I fear, not the Gen Z, the next generation, my two year old daughter generation is scary, because these people will question everything. Question everything, they will live in a different world, they will live in a virtual world, virtual world will be as real as the role because and they'll question education. Why do I need to get a student loan? It question, house loan, why do I need to have a house lord? Why do I need to have a car loan, and I gotta have a car. So they will question the entire economy. And so those generation are the people that are born into the generation that they've given betting in during COVID. Those people they're coming to live a different world entirely. And we're going to be supporting them to build our word for them. And also, we're going to be forced to change also, because he's really Sydney is different. Yeah.
Morgan Bailey 38:41
Yeah. And I think it's gonna be really interesting. I think it'd be a really great point about, you know, the paradigms that we're going to end up questioning, and the things that have changed from that. And particularly, it's it's both a double edged sword people who are going to in a population in a generation that's going to question everything that's for positive or negative, and while we're along for that ride, so either while I'm in such such a great conversation, really, your passion is coming through for what you do. And it comes you know, I can see you know, how you and AltSchool is making such an impact man. So just grateful for everything that you're doing out there in the world and grateful to be having this conversation with you.
Adewale Yusuf 39:19
Thank you so much. Thank you for having me on the podcast. It's amazing conversation. I look forward to hearing it when it's live. Yeah, thank you for putting these together really means a lot. Thank you. Thanks
Morgan Bailey 39:33
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